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		<title>Comment on KS3 ICT &#8211; fitting it all in&#8230; by misterel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michelle

GOAL is a bit of a mad one for us.  I really want to use it effectively, however to do this requires probably 2 or 3 assessments a year, plus feedback, which does mean that it cuts down on your actual teaching time.  Last year i don&#039;t think we got the best out of it.  I am going to see if we can do it better this year and see if we get any meaningful results.  As a cheaper alternative (free!) Yacapaca seems quite popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michelle</p>
<p>GOAL is a bit of a mad one for us.  I really want to use it effectively, however to do this requires probably 2 or 3 assessments a year, plus feedback, which does mean that it cuts down on your actual teaching time.  Last year i don&#8217;t think we got the best out of it.  I am going to see if we can do it better this year and see if we get any meaningful results.  As a cheaper alternative (free!) Yacapaca seems quite popular.</p>
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		<title>Comment on KS3 ICT &#8211; fitting it all in&#8230; by Michelle Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi
I was thinking about getting the GOAL online assessment and wondered if you have any advice on this. Have you started using it successfully? We also have a two year KS3. 
Thanks
Michelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
I was thinking about getting the GOAL online assessment and wondered if you have any advice on this. Have you started using it successfully? We also have a two year KS3.<br />
Thanks<br />
Michelle</p>
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		<title>Comment on I am confused&#8230; by Mark Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 16:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that last reflection summarises the &#039;correct&#039; position quite succinctly: if you&#039;re doing something and it&#039;s working, more power to your elbow.  Keep a watching brief on GApps (and Live@edu, although that is less demonstrated thus far) because they&#039;re going to be significant.  Any successful implementation of a learning platform needs to be applauded, although I think we could have an interesting discussion around the meaning of &#039;successful&#039;.  For me, it&#039;s technophobic staff, eager students and potentially other groups such as parents being able to use the thing with no training, and end users rather than specialists creating and editing content as well as administering the environment with little or no recourse to people in white coats with clipboards.

The second point which emerges here is the difference between primary and the rest.  As those at GTAUK know, I&#039;m keen on GApps in the primary sector, and I think I&#039;m reasonably up-to-speed on the alternatives, but having looked at Moodle, Mahara, Haiku and others, I knew that I wouldn&#039;t be able to justify the additional investment which primaries would need to make in order to adopt that kind of approach.  That&#039;s simply because these are course-based environments unsuited to the world of 35 hours a week with the same group of kids and the same teacher.  I do think that GApps is missing a trick around the time dimension because I haven&#039;t yet figured out how to introduce any notion of workflow into GApps, but again there&#039;s a trade-off there and the extra complexity might make that counter-productive.  &#039;Safe.  Simple. Free.&#039; - that&#039;s the mantra we&#039;re sticking to, and GApps comes mighty close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that last reflection summarises the &#8216;correct&#8217; position quite succinctly: if you&#8217;re doing something and it&#8217;s working, more power to your elbow.  Keep a watching brief on GApps (and Live@edu, although that is less demonstrated thus far) because they&#8217;re going to be significant.  Any successful implementation of a learning platform needs to be applauded, although I think we could have an interesting discussion around the meaning of &#8216;successful&#8217;.  For me, it&#8217;s technophobic staff, eager students and potentially other groups such as parents being able to use the thing with no training, and end users rather than specialists creating and editing content as well as administering the environment with little or no recourse to people in white coats with clipboards.</p>
<p>The second point which emerges here is the difference between primary and the rest.  As those at GTAUK know, I&#8217;m keen on GApps in the primary sector, and I think I&#8217;m reasonably up-to-speed on the alternatives, but having looked at Moodle, Mahara, Haiku and others, I knew that I wouldn&#8217;t be able to justify the additional investment which primaries would need to make in order to adopt that kind of approach.  That&#8217;s simply because these are course-based environments unsuited to the world of 35 hours a week with the same group of kids and the same teacher.  I do think that GApps is missing a trick around the time dimension because I haven&#8217;t yet figured out how to introduce any notion of workflow into GApps, but again there&#8217;s a trade-off there and the extra complexity might make that counter-productive.  &#8216;Safe.  Simple. Free.&#8217; &#8211; that&#8217;s the mantra we&#8217;re sticking to, and GApps comes mighty close.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I am confused&#8230; by misterel</title>
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		<dc:creator>misterel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 07:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for loads of positive feedback.  On reflection, I have probably done our school and pupils a bit of disservice with a couple of statements.  I will definitely be looking at setting up a trial in Sept and promoting GApps  with certain staff and pupils. I also now that if I were a primary teacher, that it would be a no-brainer and I would be using GApps with my class quite happily. However, when you only see an KS3 class for ICT 38 hours a year it does become a different proposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for loads of positive feedback.  On reflection, I have probably done our school and pupils a bit of disservice with a couple of statements.  I will definitely be looking at setting up a trial in Sept and promoting GApps  with certain staff and pupils. I also now that if I were a primary teacher, that it would be a no-brainer and I would be using GApps with my class quite happily. However, when you only see an KS3 class for ICT 38 hours a year it does become a different proposition.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I am confused&#8230; by Nick Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said in my previous post, plan a trial. Low risk but lots of experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said in my previous post, plan a trial. Low risk but lots of experience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I am confused&#8230; by daibarnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>daibarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree to an extent Ivan. Lots of planning needs to be done for strategy about *how* to get services working with your community as you envisage (whatever that might be). EG department handbooks to be a Google Site by end of academic year or something of the sort. However, activating GApps for your environment can happen now and, if done whole-heartedly, doesn&#039;t hurt anyone whilst providing some with tools they want. My presentation was about handing the tools over to the users, not holding them back. And it&#039;s free, so it is little skin off anyones nose if they are not used (but they will be) and some pupils will really dig them dude, simply because it rocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree to an extent Ivan. Lots of planning needs to be done for strategy about *how* to get services working with your community as you envisage (whatever that might be). EG department handbooks to be a Google Site by end of academic year or something of the sort. However, activating GApps for your environment can happen now and, if done whole-heartedly, doesn&#8217;t hurt anyone whilst providing some with tools they want. My presentation was about handing the tools over to the users, not holding them back. And it&#8217;s free, so it is little skin off anyones nose if they are not used (but they will be) and some pupils will really dig them dude, simply because it rocks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I am confused&#8230; by Peter Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. Think you are doing the right thing by waiting reading your position. Every school is different and you clearly know how hard and fast you can push any emerging tech in your situation. 

I would however agree with Doug about Google v Ms and the quote he pulled out. It&#039;s definitely not the scene at Primary level. I don&#039;t know enough about Secondary to make any decent generalisations but is your school&#039;s use of Moodle (not saying yours) based around content/lesson path creation rather than learning tools/collaboration? That would drain my enjoyment of ICT. What I&#039;m finding at Primary level is the more you give cutting edge tools to pupils, the more they want and expect new tools. There is almost an expectation by the pupils in the quality of tools they should have at their finger tips. Maybe we as Primary school teachers use all their excitement up about tech innovation, although I personally think it&#039;s more down to pupil attitude and school culture. In which case perhaps the google way is exactly what your school need?! Don&#039;t get me wrong, I don&#039;t usually find myself completely agreeing with Doug but on this occasion I think I do! In terms of deployment, at Primary level the biggest obstacles are the SLT &amp; staff in general. Nobble them and your laughing with the pupils.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Think you are doing the right thing by waiting reading your position. Every school is different and you clearly know how hard and fast you can push any emerging tech in your situation. </p>
<p>I would however agree with Doug about Google v Ms and the quote he pulled out. It&#8217;s definitely not the scene at Primary level. I don&#8217;t know enough about Secondary to make any decent generalisations but is your school&#8217;s use of Moodle (not saying yours) based around content/lesson path creation rather than learning tools/collaboration? That would drain my enjoyment of ICT. What I&#8217;m finding at Primary level is the more you give cutting edge tools to pupils, the more they want and expect new tools. There is almost an expectation by the pupils in the quality of tools they should have at their finger tips. Maybe we as Primary school teachers use all their excitement up about tech innovation, although I personally think it&#8217;s more down to pupil attitude and school culture. In which case perhaps the google way is exactly what your school need?! Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I don&#8217;t usually find myself completely agreeing with Doug but on this occasion I think I do! In terms of deployment, at Primary level the biggest obstacles are the SLT &amp; staff in general. Nobble them and your laughing with the pupils.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I am confused&#8230; by Steve Philp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Philp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to where you are: on the forefront of change or ready to follow those who are - both are valid positions. For confirmation read the Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell - great book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to where you are: on the forefront of change or ready to follow those who are &#8211; both are valid positions. For confirmation read the Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell &#8211; great book!</p>
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		<title>Comment on I am confused&#8230; by misterel</title>
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		<dc:creator>misterel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3479&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@daibarnes&lt;/a&gt; Thank you Dai. I really would like to introduce Google Apps, but I need to have the ability to explain why it is necessary.  What you have given me is a great starting point.  I can now go back and sit down with the technicians and discuss a timeline for potential implementation.  I have learnt my lesson and am no longer going to rush headlong into something and I think that this will need a lot of planning and discussions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-3479" rel="nofollow">@daibarnes</a> Thank you Dai. I really would like to introduce Google Apps, but I need to have the ability to explain why it is necessary.  What you have given me is a great starting point.  I can now go back and sit down with the technicians and discuss a timeline for potential implementation.  I have learnt my lesson and am no longer going to rush headlong into something and I think that this will need a lot of planning and discussions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I am confused&#8230; by daibarnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>daibarnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ivan.

I see your point. You have been working hard to establish a system and get your community understanding the benefits thereof. Why change?

There are issues to overcome when considering Google Apps. Corporate branding being one of them (although no-one seems to compare this to MS currently dominating computing in schools). However, what I was struck by is the Google eco-system. From one account you are connected into an online productivity toolset that is second to none. The myriad of services Google provide for education is awe inspiring. Apps, Earth, Maps, Scholar, Books, Reader, News, SketchUp. (have I missed any? Probably.) If you think these are important you might want to reconsider your systems, but, there again, why?

You can activate Google Apps Edu without altering what you already offer. Your community can use them as they see fit: pupils, depts, teams or groups of ppl throughout the school. There is no need to replace your VLE or ePortfolio system. However, the appeal of Googles kit is that once you are in the ecosystem you have so many things at your disposal that all function around similar methods. Collaboration, sharing, embedding, linking. For example, I have been using SketchUp at school. I was showing someone how to do some stuff on it and they were really keen to get it into Google Earth. So we exported out house from SketchUp and added it into a layer in Google Earth. Neither of us had done anything like this before. Cool.

Two more points:

1. Google move fast, with the times and are user-centred and respond to educators needs.
2. Upon seeing all this stuff in action, it is evident that the ecosystem you build with each pupil will be relevant to them for many years beyond school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ivan.</p>
<p>I see your point. You have been working hard to establish a system and get your community understanding the benefits thereof. Why change?</p>
<p>There are issues to overcome when considering Google Apps. Corporate branding being one of them (although no-one seems to compare this to MS currently dominating computing in schools). However, what I was struck by is the Google eco-system. From one account you are connected into an online productivity toolset that is second to none. The myriad of services Google provide for education is awe inspiring. Apps, Earth, Maps, Scholar, Books, Reader, News, SketchUp. (have I missed any? Probably.) If you think these are important you might want to reconsider your systems, but, there again, why?</p>
<p>You can activate Google Apps Edu without altering what you already offer. Your community can use them as they see fit: pupils, depts, teams or groups of ppl throughout the school. There is no need to replace your VLE or ePortfolio system. However, the appeal of Googles kit is that once you are in the ecosystem you have so many things at your disposal that all function around similar methods. Collaboration, sharing, embedding, linking. For example, I have been using SketchUp at school. I was showing someone how to do some stuff on it and they were really keen to get it into Google Earth. So we exported out house from SketchUp and added it into a layer in Google Earth. Neither of us had done anything like this before. Cool.</p>
<p>Two more points:</p>
<p>1. Google move fast, with the times and are user-centred and respond to educators needs.<br />
2. Upon seeing all this stuff in action, it is evident that the ecosystem you build with each pupil will be relevant to them for many years beyond school.</p>
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